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John Ward March 25, 2013 Now Bernanke refuses to rule out bank account looting in the US

GLOBAL LOOTING: Bernanke shifty on US depositors.

benshiftyThe global roll-out of thieving from citizen savers continues. I missed this three days ago, but I’m grateful to a US Slogger for pointing it out to me: on March 22nd, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke refused to say that the United States will not use Cypriot techniques of taxing the people by confiscating a percentage of their savings accounts.

During a press conference held to explain his view on economic conditions in the United States, Bernanke said his meetings with the Federal Open Market Committee drew him to the conclusion that the economic outlook is “following its own pre-established expectations”….which could of course mean down a mineshaft or up in an Atlas rocket.

However, when pressed about whether an EC-style approach to Cyprus (involving taking money from savers) might be on the cards in the US, Bernanke spoke less than plainly.

The government of Cyprus last week accepted the principle of stealing funds from private citizens as a condition to get a so-called ‘bailout’ from the five-humped camel of eurozone aid. “I was wondering if you can tell me,” one reporter asked optimistically, “how if a run on the banks happens in Cyprus, how that might affect U.S. markets. And also is it possible for the U.S. to levy a tax on regular deposits here? Or why not?”

Bernanke replied somewhat oddly, “the only trigger for actions such as the ones taken in Cyprus would be if depositors panicked”. I say ‘oddly’ because surely the catalyst for panic would be, um, if news leaked that the US Government was indeed about to rob depositors.

Either way, by not stating clearly whether it could happen in the U.S. or not, Bernanke effectively suggested that the door is open for money-seizing in the U.S.

Bernanke added that he believed it to be unlikely that a Cyprus’ scenario could replicate in the United States. He then reminded the audience that in the U.S. the FDIC insures savings and that this fact is an assurance for depositors who may be concerned. However, as The Slog revealed two days ago, the FDIC recently wrote a paper jointly with the Bank of England openly suggesting depositor haircuts.

Indeed, in February 2012 President Obama expressed concern about the FDIC’s ability to meet its obligations, suggesting that the entity could easily become insolvent. On March 4, Congresswoman Chairman Sheila Bair went further in saying that the FDIC was on its way to becoming insolvent, and that its job to insure bank deposits must therefore be in danger.

In the case of Cyprus, its own government’s word came to nought, because European bankers had that government by the balls: it is they who decided what would be done in Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, and latterly in Cyprus.

The lesson from this and previous posts on the subject is crystal clear: we can no longer trust any banking institution to defend our savings against State rape. Indeed – when in dire straits – they will actively encourage it.

You can read the full unfolding story of Global Looting at The Slog’s new dedicated page

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    Looters's avatar
    Looters on March 28, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Could be…

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    silent one on March 27, 2013 at 2:22 am

    And that is why the Troika has insisted that the 100,000 DPS was almost honoured, If they had taken from the poor masses as well as the semi-rich/middle class, the two would have joined forces and they would not have got the precedent to steal from the Bank accounts directly. And at the same time it helps to weaken the semi-rich/middle class leaving them with 100,000 euro may be just enough to bite their tongue and keep stum. Although I doubt the 100,000 will seem as much in a few years time after inflation, Rising heating/fuel costs, Increased food prices and of course raised taxes, and if all that isn’t enough, they will just come and take more from your Bank account . I do get that what has happened in Cyprus seems just a little to contrived for me, and a run on the Banks is exactly what they intend to happen, and when it does they’ll shug their shoulders and say “It wasn’t me” . So do you leave your savings in the Bank, your damned if you do and your damned if you don’t.

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    Ryck Stout on March 26, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Our parasitic governments are in a panic mode and hungry from cash from whever. They cannot tax much more but can print money but the idea that they can just attach deposits is justified because the depositors are ‘rich’ and have gained their loot unfairly. Long live socialism. Grabbing everything was a wonderful success in both Russia and the PRC.

    rycK

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    Ruby Browning Vice on March 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Sounds good – I vote for your suggestion.

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    Hieronimusb's avatar
    Hieronimusb on March 26, 2013 at 12:58 am

    No, belay that! This:

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    Hieronimusb on March 26, 2013 at 12:51 am

    I remember where I was standing when I heard the news.

    For me, this is truly poetic:

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    Geo's avatar
    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    @HB

    Meanwhile enjoy this jewel from Marvin Gaye:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRcVQDELAd4

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    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    I share those concerns, but am not so sure these projected and more and more likely to occur tightening s may emanate not so much form M.Bernanke’s psyche per se, as I am sure that making him stand between the position of being a primal originator of these fears and threats versus very much a man in the middle qua conduit for such thoughts is something that would put a grim expression on my face too, especially these days.

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    Hieronimusb's avatar
    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    +10

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    Unknown's avatar
    EUROGROUP SKETCH: Two farts discussing Cyprus | The Slog. 3-D bollocks deconstruction on March 25, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    […] Earlier at The Slog: Bernanke retains an open mind on the subject of theft. […]

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    Pissed off bastard on March 25, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Anyway more importantly, does anyone have tonights football results?.

    Sorry, just made me think of a former colleague who used to come over each morning and say..”well, what do you think?” to which my reply was..”of what”, and he would then say “the result”. We use to go through so many permutations of what the “result” actually was, from him winning the staff lotto to pulling the two hot secretaries. In the end I used to just hold up my hand to stop any futher conversation when I saw him approach. But he was happy in his own world and trusting of the system to look after the irrelevant concerns in his life, allowing him to concentrate on what was really important. His team.

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    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    thought to send you this before anything as proper as a Limerick (a directory of which I used to have):

    yarns unravel as they’re told,
    whether of silver, or of gold;
    nothing thins itself so slight,
    as untold tales of mad delight.

    nothing spins itself so tight,
    or ravels on so long,
    as autumn nights and afternoons,
    since summer’s come and gone.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Holger used to warm up for The Smothers Brothers – had them rolling in the aisles, such a card! Himmler’s ring might work, the real thing though, not the Lowell George version..

    Thanks, I’ll check it out. Meanwhile here’s a limerick:

    There once was a German called Merkel
    Who kept going round in a circle
    To take all the money from lands that were sunny
    And disappear back down her wormhole.

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    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Quite the case HB.

    Not that anyone deserves to think to hard about it all today, but Bloomberg.com’s feature story on Cyprus is not so sanguine:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-25/saving-cyprus-means-nobody-safe-as-europe-breaks-more-taboos.html

    but you’ll find some lovely quotes therein, such as this doozy:

    “At Berenberg Bank in London, Chief Economist Holger Schmieding said the lesson is that “countries will take a lot of pain to stay in the euro zone. The glue that holds the euro zone together remains strong.”

    Lost my secret decoder ring dammit. I’m calling the Captain Video help number as soon as I can locate it.

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    oldasiahand on March 25, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Geo: I stand corrected in that they are referring to corporate rather than individual accounts. Nevertheless, I take the tightening up in eligibility as a straw in the wind especially when couple with M Benancke’s comments..

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    RuxleyOAP on March 25, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Retiring to Argentina?

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    Morningstar on March 25, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    First they came for the Jews…….. but I was not a Jew…….
    People should remember this…… whatever their personal position :)

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    maxter on March 25, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    @ hier Under the circumstances you still have me laughing.

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    Geo's avatar
    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    @OAH
    sorry, typo (wordpress won’t let me backspace too easily). should have dated end of TAG’s as 12/31/12 — which coincides with the date you mention.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    @Mark: I’ve been wondering, thanks. Just a little insurance, no speculation intended.

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    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    @OAH
    I think your info is not correct. You may be confused by the ending of TAG accounts on 12/31/13 — but even within one bank there a ways to insure well over 250,000 through trustee and beneficiary accounts and so on.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/macroscope/2012/07/24/safe-for-the-1-percent-fdic-often-insures-much-more-than-250000/

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    Mark on March 25, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    @Hieronimusb – I think we may well be in a bit of a dip on the gold price at the moment comparatively speaking so I wouldn’t wait too long. I doubt we’ll have very long to wait before the next chapter in the great financial crises arrives.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    It’s a generalised problem with lateral thinking; one can just never be entirely sure what is and what isn’t coincidence… no reason at all to stop trying though.

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    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Something tells me these time-wise discontinuities in methods of gathering dosh are easy to correlate with the US ‘sequestration’ and mating songs of nine billion pound gorillas on reduced kennel rations.

    But that’s probably coincidence, something like hem-lines and stock prices, though I recall some sociologists who once opined that shorter skirts might make the males more inclined to gambol/gamble.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Ok, what she really said was: “You’ve got an ugly face and you’re going to have a boating accident.” Honesty, best policy..

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    A very fair question, and one which baffles far better brains than mine. Problem is now, anything that you have which is visible to the world at large is sooner or later going to be ‘levied’. I have no glod but have promised myself that on the next (?) significant fall I will acquire some at least, although probably not much. A gipsy recently told me: “You’ve got a lucky face but you’re going to have a boating accident.”

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Thanks Geo; it must be clearer to all now that, unless we find a way to crash the system, ever greater wealth confiscation is on the way. We will, of course, all be losers in the short/medium term but the system cannot be evolved from where it now is and needs to be starved to death before it does that to us.

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    Lupulco on March 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    The question, How many fingers have i got up?
    The answer, whatever the system tells you they have got up,
    The system/banker wins in the end.

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    Me again on March 25, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Does this make it more likely that the Sino-American foot on the neck of gold prices could slip off?

    I mean what is a rich git supposed to do with all their filthy lucre above £85,000 or what ever it is elsewhere?

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    Geo on March 25, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    @w, HB et al

    http://www.ft.com/home/uk

    3:34 GMT, Frontpage leading column reads:

    Cyprus to be model for future bailouts
    Private investors to bear risk of paying for bank rescues

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    Cris's avatar
    Cris on March 25, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    +1

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    Mo on March 25, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Can you explain how it works in simple english, as I can’t for the life of me see how I could get hold of any?

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    Mo on March 25, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Will ‘this’ as you put it get them off their sofas & into the streets? I wonder. A son of mine spoke to someone about it, & the complacent reply was, “Oh, well, their only taking rich peoples’ money, the ordinary people won’t lose any.” My son said, “Oh, well that’s alright then, innit!”

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    oldasiahand on March 25, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    You used to be able to do that but the changes in January stopped it.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Game on, the zombies are coming!

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Sound advice.

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    Ioannis on March 25, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “Cyprus a Template For EU, Reuters Says, Cites Dijsselblom”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/european-markets-sliding-fast

    FX, bond, and stock markets in Europe falling fast

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    Cris on March 25, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Anything that you can’t see, touch, smell, piss on or sign your initials on is probably worth nothing. It doesn’t matter if you buy gold bullion or baked beans, make sure that your assets are tangible. Paper depends on someone being honourable if it is to be honoured and money is just paper with no intrinsic value.

    And the further you can get your money away from government the better.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Well, with a little bit of modification to the rear wheel, a Panther M100 could make quite a convincing rotovator.. but the neighbours give me a wide berth already so my suburban garden may not be the best place to use it, and selling up just now would be problematic; however, I admit that those are just minor details in the event of real necessity. Over the years, my relationship with horses has been, shall we say, ambivalent on both sides; I do love the sounds that they make though, and have been known to offer various imitations:)

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    Chelim Yrneh (@Forthespacemen)'s avatar
    Chelim Yrneh (@Forthespacemen) on March 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    ; )

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    Bill Casso on March 25, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Here’s an idea Hieromimusb are any of those old machines you like to fix up capable of cultivation? Or maybe you could buy a horse and some land?

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    Rhys Jaggar on March 25, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    ‘When the Government is able to raise taxes and seize private property without proper compensation, it is an indication that the public is ripe for surrender and is consenting to enslavement and legal encroachment’.

    That quote comes from the article you quoted.

    It is a quite astonishingly cold description of an evil mindset.

    The attitude is one that nothing is not allowed to block the achievement of social conditioning objectives, the maintenance of a permanent elite and the imposition of slavery.

    Whosoever wrote those words is no better than a Nazi Concentration Camp Kommandant and I do hope that they met an end similar to most of those genocidal miscreants………

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Oh, I think the uptake has been quick enough – many of us saw this coming before Lehmans – it’s the lack of any credible alternative that’s the problem.

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    Unknown's avatar
    Smoke Signals | The Slog. 3-D bollocks deconstruction on March 25, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    […] ← GLOBAL LOOTING: Bernanke shifty on US depositors. March 25, 2013 · 2:07 pm ↓ Jump to Comments […]

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    Old Nick Heavenly on March 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Jesus wept!!! You lot really are slow on the uptake. Has this all not been blindingly obvious since Lehmans was collapsed. You make it easy for them!

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    Bangers on March 25, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    I agree that it raises concerns but most are aware that, if Bitcoin gains any sort of real traction, a battle with some governments will ensue. But, as with torrent technology, I think it will ultimately be a futile one.

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    Mark's avatar
    Mark on March 25, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    @coppersterling – you sound like your jolly cross today.

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    Peter c on March 25, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I’d be concerned at this move.

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    groundedkiwi on March 25, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Pat most of the time yes. Then it can go days without you having to. Also you have to realize how much the blog owner has control over the site.
    http://www.ehow.com/how_8103072_hide-comments-wordpress.html

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Apparently, the chief executive officer is an effing dickHead..:)

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    ultra909 on March 25, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    More p2p info at MoneySupermarket…

    http://www.moneysupermarket.com/savings/peer-to-peer/

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    coppersterling on March 25, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    FIFTY years ago? Really?

    I would imagine when ‘the City’ was given priority over every other inch of this island the rot commenced. The establishment of the BofE in the late 1700’s underpinned the priority given to ‘the City’. A private monopoly over the currency/economic energy granted to thieving bankster bloodlines.

    It’s just gotten worse and worse as the debt-enslavement has become more complicated.

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    ultra909 on March 25, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Spread it around. Some gold is good as you can just bury it in a hole in the garden and forget about it (if no-one sees you and you don’t tell anyone – at all).

    You could also consider lending some of it via one of the new generation of peer-to-peer savings & loan schemes, such as “Bank of Dave” for example (there was a docu on C4):

    http://www.burnleysavingsandloans.co.uk/savings/

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    kfc1404 on March 25, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    +1

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    Mark on March 25, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    @oldasiahand – I take it that $250k is the maximium ceiling and you cant do the UK trick of depositing in multiple banks with different licences?

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    Pat on March 25, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Ps why is it so difficult to post comments here. You have to login through word press. is that what everyone else posting has to do?

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    Pat on March 25, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Agree best not to leave money in bank but where do you put it. Talking about elderly parent and while not a fortune it is the difference between a comfortable life and a shit one. Telling them to buy gold is something they might do with a little of the cash but the rest where do they keep it. Living in a major city not sure if safe to keep cash at home and if anything happened i would never forgive myself.

    Any advice as want my parent to feel money is safe but taking it all from the bank and hiding at home also has it risks. As does hiding gold at home.

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    Mark on March 25, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    @Dr Dan H – I think what you should have written is that Britain USED to function well, but that was 50 years ago. Today its every bit as dirty, greedy and corrupt as any other despotic hole on the planet.

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    Nick Markakis on March 25, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    FDIC…eff-dick…mmmm….that’s a funny name for an institution created to guarantee bank deposits. Methinks, there’s truth in words…

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    Bangers on March 25, 2013 at 11:45 am

    The MtGox/Coinlab merger goes into release mode next week, repatriating all MtGox US accounts back to the US from Japan, giving US citizens direct access to the largest Bitcoin exchange without having to send money overseas (banking facilities provided by Silicon Valley Bank)

    Expect another influx into non-seizable Bitcoins.

    Btw John, you never did thank me for the Bitcoin I donated to you when it was worth a lowly $11. You’re welcome anyway.

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    oldasiahand on March 25, 2013 at 11:35 am

    The situation in the states is much more complicated. You have insured and uninsured institutions as well as state and Federal insurance. Uninsured Depositors taking a whack is not uncommon. Earlier this year the Federal insurance was tightened so that any individual was restricted to $250K in insured deposits. Previously one could have multiple insured deposits. There has been obvious coordination internationally through the BIS and the FATF on a tougher line with depositors.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 11:32 am

    And like most dastardly plans, incredibly simple.

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    Hieronimusb on March 25, 2013 at 11:16 am

    We shouldn’t really be so surprised; after all, it’s just another form of leverage and the crowbar is certainly an effective force multiplier. The money’s already gone, it’s either bankruptcies or haircuts unless we are prepared to take action.

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    laurence on March 25, 2013 at 11:15 am

    @Dr Dan
    ‘ If this is abandoned then the government turns into just another rapacious enemy, to be defied at every turn.’
    Now is the time to defy them whilst we still have the chance.

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    Dr Dan H. on March 25, 2013 at 11:02 am

    This is all getting dangerously close to the pre-conditions for a particularly bloody revolution. At the moment, the fiat currency/debt system keeps people comfortably enslaved trying to save enough money to keep them through their old age. If however the governments decide to thieve off peoples’ precious nest-eggs then really, what is the point of these governments at all?

    They are not fulfilling what is arguably the primary function of a government, namely to give an honest arbiter of last resort. Britain in particular functions well as a legal regime because it is based around common law fairness, with a contractural system that tries to guard against worst-case scenarios. If this is abandoned then the government turns into just another rapacious enemy, to be defied at every turn.

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    coppersterling's avatar
    coppersterling on March 25, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “Simply ending the life of these ‘global elite’ is sufficient punishment in my humble opinion.”

    Should read: Simply ending the life of these ‘global elite’ is NOT sufficient punishment in my humble opinion.

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    coppersterling on March 25, 2013 at 10:57 am

    “we can no longer trust any banking institution to defend our savings against State rape”

    C’mon, John, you have a decent IQ and must’ve figured-out by now that the bankster crooks and the politicians have the same lord and master. They are in cahoots, they work together, and this becomes more and more blatant as time unfolds.

    My two-pence worth is that they know this will trigger the end of their debt-fiat system and they intend to roll-in a digital ‘gold-backed’ system……..not that any regular citizen/serf will ever actually hold any of the govt gold in their hands, of course.

    Bankster=government=bankster.

    Check this out, rumoured to be from a Bilderburg meeting, y’know those nice ikkle meetings that banksters and politicians attend:

    http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=28809

    Simply ending the life of these ‘global elite’ is sufficient punishment in my humble opinion.

    Placing them in solitary confinement in a sound-proof room with mirrors set behind their bars is more suitable. have a little hatch to put some basic food stuffs through and never allow them to speak or see anyone until their last breath.

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    kfc1404's avatar
    kfc1404 on March 25, 2013 at 10:26 am

    ‘Indeed – when in dire straits – they will actively encourage it.’
    Erm, isn’t that the position now?

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    william on March 25, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Simply incredible.

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